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a standing rule that Cadets are never to be sent by mail steamer out always by intermediate (1st class).

E.C.S.

Indian feeling seems to have changed as Indian feeling seems to be that

I am sure that

I.C.S.,

no Indian Civilian nowadays would write himself any more than "M.A." Out of India I have never heard of anyone being addressed on a letter as "I.C.S." In India, the correct address is So and so Esq C.S.

I doubt the desirability of pandering to this morbid affection for alphabetical affixes and there are special objections to the present proposal.

We ought not, I think, to recognise any right on the part of the Cadet Officers to call themselves "The Civil Service" to the exclusion of other equally important branches of the service. They have no more claim to monopolise the name than have the holders of Class 1 appointments in England. Even if "E.C.S." were recognised as standing for "Eastern Cadet Service" it would be open to objection. Such men as Mr Delfield, Mr Wray, Mr Ebden, Mr Hazeland were not Cadets and so could not use the initials and the increased dignity of the service would be compensated for by a loss of dignity owing to these high officers being apparently written down as of a lower caste. The same observation would apply also to a Col Sec: introduced from without the service.

Further unless Ceylon is included, the word "Eastern" would be a misnomer. To include Ceylon would seem to imply a closer connection than can exist between the Ceylon service and that of the other Eastern Colonies and would strengthen the claims of the Ceylon service to be paid on exactly the same scale as the other service.

I cannot see that any such title is needed. In their Colonies everyone knows who these gentlemen are: outside nobody cares.

If they must have an affix, there is no reason why every Civil Servant should not have C.S after his name when he is in the Colony, and, as a matter of fact, the newspapers frequently so describe them, in the Ceylon case writing "C.C.S."; but this practice needs no official sanction.

W 24/1.

My personal opinion is that a Civil Servant can travel 2nd class by steamer.

The prestige which, however ridiculous the matter is in itself, will unfairly besmirch the position of future holders hereafter, I agree with Mr Stubbs' quotation.

2. The E.C.S. is not! M Stubbs

Pr. 2111

what is the average difference in 1st class fares to Ceylon by maild steamers and Intermediate steamers.

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508 a standing rule that Cadets are never to be sent by mail steamer out always by intermediate (1st class). E.C.S. Indian feeling seems to have changed as Indian feeling seems to be that I am sure that I.C.S., no Indian Civilian nowadays would write himself any more than "M.A." Out of India I have never heard of anyone being addressed on a letter as "I.C.S." In India, the correct address is So and so Esq C.S. I doubt the desirability of pandering to this morbid affection for alphabetical affixes and there are special objections to the present proposal. We ought not, I think, to recognise any right on the part of the Cadet Officers to call themselves "The Civil Service" to the exclusion of other equally important branches of the service. They have no more claim to monopolise the name than have the holders of Class 1 appointments in England. Even if "E.C.S." were recognised as standing for "Eastern Cadet Service" it would be open to objection. Such men as Mr Delfield, Mr Wray, Mr Ebden, Mr Hazeland were not Cadets and so could not use the initials and the increased dignity of the service would be compensated for by a loss of dignity owing to these high officers being apparently written down as of a lower caste. The same observation would apply also to a Col Sec: introduced from without the service. Further unless Ceylon is included, the word "Eastern" would be a misnomer. To include Ceylon would seem to imply a closer connection than can exist between the Ceylon service and that of the other Eastern Colonies and would strengthen the claims of the Ceylon service to be paid on exactly the same scale as the other service. I cannot see that any such title is needed. In their Colonies everyone knows who these gentlemen are: outside nobody cares. If they must have an affix, there is no reason why every Civil Servant should not have C.S after his name when he is in the Colony, and, as a matter of fact, the newspapers frequently so describe them, in the Ceylon case writing "C.C.S."; but this practice needs no official sanction. W 24/1. My personal opinion is that a Civil Servant can travel 2nd class by steamer. The prestige which, however ridiculous the matter is in itself, will unfairly besmirch the position of future holders hereafter, I agree with Mr Stubbs' quotation. 2. The E.C.S. is not! M Stubbs Pr. 2111 what is the average difference in 1st class fares to Ceylon by maild steamers and Intermediate steamers.
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508 a standing rule that Cadets are never to be sent by mai. steamer out always by intermediate (1st lass). E.C.S. Indian feeling seems to have changed as Indian feeling seems to I all! sure that I.CS BG,S," no Indian Civilian nowadays would write himself any more than "M.A." Out of India I have never heard of anyone being addressed on a letter as "1.0.S." In India, יז the correct address is So and so Esq C.S. " I doubt the desirability of pandering to this morbid affect ion for alphabetical afiixes and there are special objections to the present proposal. We ought not I think, to recognise any right on the part of 1 the Cadet Officers to cail themselves "Che Civil Service" to the exclusion of other equally important branches of the service. They have no more claim to monopolise the name than have the holders of Class 1 appointments in England. Even if "E.C.5" Zven/17/74/0/8/7/were recognised as standing for "Eastern Cadet service" it would be open to objection. Such men as r Delfield, Mr Wray, Mr Ebden, Mr Hazeland were not Cadets And so could not use the initials and the increased dignity More than of the service would be compensated for by a loss of dignity A owing to these high officers being apparently written down as of a lower caste. The same observation would apply also to a Col Sec: introduced from without the service. Further unles. Ceylon is included, the word "Eastern" would a misnomer. To include Ceylon would seem to imply a closer connection than can exist between the Ceylon service and that of the other Eastern Colonies and would strengthen the claims of the Ceylon service to be paid on exactly the same scale as the other service. I cannot see that any sucn title is needed. In their Colonies everyone knows who these gentlemen are: outside of nobody cares. If they must have an affix. there is no reason why every Civil Servant should not have C.S after his name when he is in the Colony, and, as a matter of fact, the newspapera frequently so describe them, in the Ceylon case writing "C.C.S."; but this practice needs no official sanction, W 24/1. My personal & peneine is that a Cind bersant camesh travel 2nd class by steamed a love the 7 Arestige which, Ridiculos matter is in itself, will unfair bes position Fusefuluers herefter, I agree with tw Stuens ootation 2. The E.S.s is not! M Stubbs Pr. 2111 what is the average difference in 1st class faves to the 3 Glonia by maild Clot 2 Intermediak stamens.
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508

a standing rule that Cadets are never to be sent by

mai. steamer out always by intermediate (1st lass).

E.C.S.

Indian feeling seems to have changed as Indian feeling seems to

I all!

sure that

I.CS BG,S,"

no Indian Civilian nowadays would write himself

any more than "M.A." Out of India I have never heard of

anyone being addressed on a letter as "1.0.S." In India,

יז

the correct address is So and so Esq C.S.

"

I doubt the desirability of pandering to this morbid affect

ion for alphabetical afiixes and there are special objections

to the present proposal.

We ought not I think, to recognise any right on the part of

1

the Cadet Officers to cail themselves "Che Civil Service"

to the exclusion of other equally important branches of

the service. They have no more claim to monopolise the name

than have the holders of Class 1 appointments in England. Even if

"E.C.5" Zven/17/74/0/8/7/were recognised as standing for "Eastern

Cadet service" it would be open to objection. Such men as

r Delfield, Mr Wray, Mr Ebden, Mr Hazeland were not Cadets

And so could not use the initials and the increased dignity

More than

of the service would be compensated for by a loss of dignity

A

owing to these high officers being apparently written down

as of a lower caste. The same observation would apply also

to a Col Sec: introduced from without the service.

Further unles. Ceylon is included, the word "Eastern" would

a misnomer. To include Ceylon would seem to imply a

closer connection than can exist between the Ceylon service

and that of the other Eastern Colonies and would strengthen

the claims of the Ceylon service to be paid on exactly the

same scale as the other service.

I cannot see that any sucn title is needed. In their

Colonies everyone knows who these gentlemen are: outside

of nobody cares.

If they must have an affix. there is no reason why every

Civil Servant should not have C.S after his name when he

is in the Colony, and, as a matter of fact, the newspapera

frequently so describe them, in the Ceylon case writing

"C.C.S."; but this practice needs no official sanction,

W 24/1.

My personal & peneine is that a

Cind bersant camesh travel 2nd class by steamed a

love

the

7

Arestige

which,

Ridiculos

matter is in itself, will unfair bes

position Fusefuluers herefter, I agree with

tw Stuens ootation

2. The E.S.s is not! M Stubbs

Pr. 2111

what is the average difference in 1st class faves to the 3 Glonia by maild

Clot 2

Intermediak stamens.

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